This page compiles many little things about KTP I've found over the internet. Oftentimes they're a little strange in one form or another. Technically one could make these entries on a KTP iceberg of sorts but they are not nearly popular enough to designate levels like that. The entries are unsorted, only ordered by the order I thought of them in while writing this page.
In the next update, entries will be sorted chronologically.
We Are Your Family is a Naked-era song that was released as the B-side of the 12" Maybe This Day single and on the US self titled EP as the final track. On certain sites and compilations, this song is labeled as "extended" or "club mix" as it is six minutes long, but the audio file itself remains the same, all sharing the same length. It's currently unknown if any other versions were officially released, or if they even exist anymore. When the EP became available on streaming, it was merely titled as "We Are Your Family", no other mix.
Due to the band lacking a focal point, and having multiple singers, oftentimes every member is credited as being a singer. (Or rather as "voice") I guess it's also possible that the band told the press that every member sung? Anyways, Simon, as far as I know, never sang lead vocals, and only sings backing vocals, though I'm not sure on which songs. Stevie never sang ever, not even live, but has spoken word at the end of an unreleased version of Underage.
In April 2018, an IP address (aka anonymous) user on Wikipedia edited list of members to include a 9th one, named Anne Stokes. Anne was never mentioned in the body text. Her name was scraped by a few other websites covering KTP, but she was removed in October of 2019 by a different IP user. I was willing to believe Anne Stokes never existed. Especially since the user who initially added it had warnings about adding unconstructive information to other articles (but not KTP's) [also the user who removed her has no other edit history]. I asked Kim Howard about it, after wracking his head a bit, he remembered that Anne was indeed a real person. A fellow student at the Royal College of Music who was friends with George when Ubu Roi formed. Mystery solved! But that begs the question how she even ended up on the article in the first place, as nowhere else online is she mentioned (apart from articles that scraped from Wikipedia). The IP address itself is from the University of Cambridge, but IPs are not always accurate of course- it could just be from anywhere in that area. It could be from Anne Stokes herself! Unlikely, but still strange.
A small batch of American 12" singles of Certain Things Are Likely has the band on the spine credited as Level 42 instead of Kissing the Pink or KTP. It's possible it simply got mixed up with a Level 42 single although the misprint only exists on the spine, not on the sticker or the front cover. Not every American 12" print has this issue.
On the 1999 unofficial CD issue of What Noise, Sylvia's name is credited in the sleeve instead of Simon's. Funnily enough, the page that her name is on is underneath a photo of the whole band, including Simon. Sylvia, of course, was gone partway through Naked and had no influence on What Noise at all.
(Hard to read but it says "Kissing the Pink are", listing off the members, with the last one being Sylvia Griffin.)
Liner notes for Naked call the song "The Big Man Restless" while the liner notes for Sugarland call the song "Big Man Restless". The song has used both titles in several official places. Though generally, with the advent of streaming, the song is referred to without its definite article more often. The lyrics consistently refer to the character as "the big man restless" except for the second line in the song which calls him "a big man restless".
Certain Things Are Likely, the album, released in Japan under the title 碧い瞳 (aoi hitomi) "Blue Pupils", and is the only KTP album thus
far that has been retitled in another region. It's standard for songs to be retitled in other languages, but usually the albums just
release in English if they're not that popular, guess KTP crossed that horizon! A few songs were retitled too.
Never Too Late To Love You became... I can't read the first word on any of the photos I have, the second one is "of two people".
(???の二人 ??? no futari).
Certain Things Are Likely, the song, was changed to "Mind Game (マインド ゲーム maindo geemu)" perhaps for ease of pronunciation (although No
One's On The Same Side was unchanged)
Identity Card boringly got retitled to "ID Card (I.D.カード, ID kaado)".
One Day got both its title transliterated (ワン デイ wan dei) and literally translated (いつの日か, itsu no hika).
Additionally, the album
seems to have unique Japanese liner notes. Though the photo is a little too low quality to make anything. I've tried looking up
tracklists to see what Never To Late To Love You is called but I can basically only find the Japanese album on resale sites and
people just use the English names for songs if even that.
While CTAL is the only album retitled in another language, Maybe This Day released in Peru backed with Love Lasts Forever where both song titles were translated into Spanish.
The first four albums each have official lyrics printed in their inserts. Though they're not perfect. The following are lines I have noticed that the inserts are fully missing.
The following six entries are all related to the initial 2010 burst of creativity that eventually flopped into Digital People's release 5 years later.
On the Kissing the Pink Wordpress, seemingly written entirely by
Nick (as he used to have a typing quirk where he wouldn't write spaces after punctuation), there's a
post from 2010 with a list of six song titles for the upcoming album that became Digital People. One of these song titles is "Now I'm
Someone Else" which is either an old lyric for a finished song or a completely scrapped song.
Also on the Wordpress there's a post from
2009 mentioning
a song Nick is working on called "Sarah Terry" but this one is described as
a "pub sing-a-long" which means it probably morphed into Sanity Vanity. In that same post, George has a sketch of a song called
"Writing on the Wall" which is described as "shiny pop", so, using the list of six song names on the later post, the song could've
been morphed into Birds Are Talking, Pop Up or Digital People. Or maybe Writing On The Wall and Now I'm Someone Else are
the same song... or they're both scrapped!
In 2010, Kissing the Pink were managed by Underdogs Publishing. In January of 2010, they released a four-song EP for Kissing the Pink on
Bandcamp
(purchase is not available). It uses the artwork to Mr. Blunt for some reason.
The four songs are: Happy Ever After, Pop Up, There Goes Sanity and Waterfall.
I asked George Stewart about these songs, he didn't say anything in particular about them.
Many posts from their various accounts describe big things that never happened! I think this is all of them, but there might be one or two on Facebook that I can't access.
In my questions to George Stewart he said that each of the members of the band felt "disenchanted" with the idea of success as they were finishing Digital People, which is probably why these things got cancelled.
There are at least three instances of this.
I made contact with a user that goes by bigmanrestless on other platforms, but he said that the tumblr user wasn't him.
But luckily, these didn't get lost!
So KTP did one of those "get us to x number of followers" things and they promised to release an unreleased demo track if they hit the number. They did not, at least not within the timeframe, so whatever this song is, if it was a new song or an old one, is unknown.
Kissing the pink have had three (2010) YouTube (2021) channels (2025). Each of which has only one video
posted on them. This is not really precedent among normal bands and is wholly unique to KTP.
The first one was created for the band's tumblr to post the KTP
Palin interview (presumably to share it on Facebook, as the other two tumblr videos weren't uploaded to the channel). The 2021
one has its profile picture be the back of the sleeve of The Last Film, its sole upload is the W-fest performance. And the third was created to upload
Techno Feudalism's strangely titled video. (At one point, the latter had an AI generated profile picture and banner, but that was
changed to just be some regular pink text by 28 September.)
I'm aware that these images aren't level just pretend they are ok.
Probably on the same day as the release of Techno Feudalism's video (13/09/2025) the Kissing the Pink Spotify bio got updated.
Here is what it was before 2021 (and is still it on Apple Music)
If Kissing the Pink's name sounds like sexual innuendo, it's because it is. The band eventually changed their appellation to the modest KTP. Often chastised by the U.K. press in the '80s, Kissing the Pink's music is not as suggestive as their name. The group's hybrid of soul, electronic experimentation, and synth-pop should've landed them hits when that sound was in flavor, but the band merely flirted with the Top 40 in England and was virtually unknown in America except for new wave diehards. Kissing the Pink was formed in 1980 at the Royal College of Music in London, England. All of the members lived together in the same house in North London. Comprised of Nick Whitecross (vocals, guitars), Jon Kingsley Hall (keyboards, vocals), Peter Barnett (bass, violin, vocals), Simon Aldridge (guitars, vocals), Stephen Cusack (drums, vocals), George Stewart (keyboards, vocals), and Josephine Wells (saxophone, vocals), Kissing the Pink released their first album, Naked, in 1983. By 1986, Kissing the Pink had shortened their name to KTP and recorded their most successful LP, Certain Things Are Likely. More commercial than any of their previous efforts, Certain Things Are Likely was Kissing the Pink's concession to their label Magnet's demand for a chart smash. The hits never really came, except that the title track reached number one on the Billboard dance charts; moreover, the single "One Step" went to number one in Italy. In 1988, KTP became Kissing the Pink once again. The group released Sugarland in 1993. After that, the band cut their roster to Whitecross, Hall, and Stewart, doing mainly production work for other artists. In 1999, Hall recorded Moving Into One, a trance CD, for his wife. Kissing the Pink collaborated with Steve Balsamo that year on a number of songs, but they were rejected by Sony and shelved. ~ Michael Sutton
Kissing the Pink formed in Glasgow in 1978 where Peter Barnett, Jon Kingsley Hall and George Stewart were studying at the Royal Scottish Conservatoire. Moving to London in 1980 we were joined by Nick Whitecross, Stevie Cusack, Jo Wells and Sylvia Griffin. Initially crammed into a piano practice room beneath a Royal College of Music hall of residence, early songs sounded like the unlikely union of Johny Guitar Watson, Supertramp and Tarkovsky. The name….the name….it came from the commentator of ‘Pot Black’ on uk tv saying “the white ball is kissing the pink” 2023 is the 40th Anniversary of “NAKED”! For this there are new songs to hear, remixed & reimagined originals, special limited edition vinyl releases and live shows to look forward to! (2021’s appearance at W-Fest in Belgium was our first gig for over 20 years & it was a triumph). The current line-up of Jon, Nick, Pete & Simon are all working towards our constant willingness to experiment and be different, dance but avoid the obvious, make comfortingly rhythmically crafted anthems for the lost, for the deep thinkers, for the outsiders, for the questioning, and for the lovers.
We were always a band that missed the mark in terms of belonging to a genre. I think we tried sometimes or did I imagine that? Post-Punk, no, New Romantic, no, and later categorisations were things glimpsed in the distance, islands on screens, but never truly visited. A bubble world maybe, convinced of its own validity? There were moments of grandiosity.The Other Side of Heaven, pure eccentricity; Love Lasts Forever or early electro; Frightened in France. On Certain Things are Likely we momentarily connected with the zeitgeist and made No 1 in the US dance charts when Prince was number 2. ‘One Step’ was big in Italy, but even that managed to include some faux Clint Eastward semi-biblical ramblings. And now? Nothing’s changed. Maybe in the culture of immediacy genres don’t matter, and if they do, another is only a thumb swipe away. Fleeting engagement. Houston via the view from a stage in Verona, or Martin Hannett emerging from beneath a a venerable 24 track Helios console, to suggest recording the snare drum in the lift, while Ken Thomas marvels at the delay offered by Neve AMS X16. Kissing the Pink are a disparate group of people who get together to make music. I hope we bring a little light into the world.
Kissing the Pink was an English synth-pop band formed in London in 1980, known for their early use of classical training and modern synths to create a distinctive sound. Their 1983 debut album Naked featured their biggest hit, "The Last Film," a Top 20 UK single. The band evolved into KTP, achieving a No. 1 on the Billboard Dance Club Songs chart with "Certain Things Are Likely" in 1987. Formation and Style The band formed in London in 1980, with many members having classical training from the Royal College of Music. Their music blended new wave and synth-pop, drawing inspiration from sources like Kraftwerk and classical music. The band members initially lived together, fostering a close-knit environment for creating music
The music video for Techno Feudalism was uploaded in little sliced teasers on the band's facebook page. In the first teaser, there's a scene of Nick singing into a microphone, which is not present in the final video. This could either be a scene in a future video (ew!) or they had a few other clips that got cut for the Techno Feudalism video.
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