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Trivia, oddities and mysteries

This page compiles many little things about KTP I've found over the internet. Oftentimes they're a little strange in one form or another. Technically one could make these entries on a KTP iceberg of sorts but they are not nearly popular enough to designate levels like that. The entries are unsorted, only ordered by the order I thought of them in while writing this page.

This page will have proper styling and sorting later. There are dozens more entries to add as well.


We Are Your Family's lack of versions

We Are Your Family is a Naked-era song that was released as the B-side of the 12" Maybe This Day single and on the US self titled EP as the final track. On certain sites and compilations, this song is labeled as "extended" or "club mix" as it is six minutes long, but the audio file itself remains the same, at nearly 6 minutes long. It's currently unknown if any other versions were officially released, or if they even exist anymore. When the EP became available on streaming, it was merely titled as "We Are Your Family", no other mix.

Stevie and Simon as vocalists

Due to the band lacking a focal point, and having multiple singers, oftentimes every member is credited as being a singer. (Or rather as "voice") I guess it's also possible that the band told the press that every member sung? Anyways, Simon, as far as I know, never sang lead vocals, and only sings backing vocals, though I'm not sure on which songs. Stevie never sang ever, not even live, but has spoken word at the end of an unreleased version of Underage.

Anne Stokes

In April 2018, an IP address (aka anonymous) user on Wikipedia edited list of members to include a 9th one, named Anne Stokes. Anne was never mentioned in the body text. Her name was scraped by a few other websites covering KTP, but she was removed in October of 2019 by a different IP user. I was willing to believe Anne Stokes never existed. Especially since the user who initially added it had warnings about adding unconstructive information to other articles (but not KTP's) [also the user who removed her has no other edit history]. I asked Kim Howard about it, after wracking his head a bit, he remembered that Anne was indeed a real person. A fellow student at the Royal College of Music who was friends with George when Ubu Roi formed. Mystery solved! But that begs the question how she even ended up on the article in the first place, as nowhere else online is she mentioned (apart from articles that scraped from Wikipedia). The IP address itself is from the University of Cambridge, but IPs are not always accurate of course- it could just be from anywhere in that area. It could be from Anne Stokes herself! Unlikely, but still strange.

Level 42 CTAL misprint

A small batch of American 12" singles of Certain Things Are Likely has the band on the spine credited as Level 42 instead of Kissing the Pink or KTP. It's possible it simply got mixed up with a Level 42 single although the misprint only exists on the spine, not on the sticker or the front cover. Not every American 12" print has this issue.

Sylvia on bootleg What Noise

On the 1999 unofficial CD issue of What Noise, Sylvia's name is credited in the sleeve instead of Simon's. Funnily enough, the page that her name is on is underneath a photo of the whole band, including Simon. Sylvia, of course, was gone partway through Naked and had no influence on What Noise at all.

Unofficial CD release of What Noise folded out. On the right there's the CD. On the left it has an image of the full band, including Jon, George, Stevie, Nick, Jo, Peter and Simon. Below that image there is a list of members, and all of the people are named, except for Simon which says Sylvia Griffin instead.

(Hard to read but it says "Kissing the Pink are", listing off the members, with the last one being Sylvia Griffin.)

"The" Big Man Restless

Liner notes for Naked call the song "The Big Man Restless" while the liner notes for Sugarland call the song "Big Man Restless". The song has used both titles in several official places. Though generally, with the advent of streaming, the song is referred to without its definite article more often. The lyrics consistently refer to the character as "the big man restless" except for the second line in the song which calls him "a big man restless".

CTAL Japanese names

Certain Things Are Likely, the album, released in Japan under the title 碧い瞳 (aoi hitomi) "Blue Pupils", and is the only KTP album thus far that has been retitled in another region. It's standard for songs to be retitled in other languages, but usually the albums just release in English if they're not that popular, guess KTP crossed that horizon! A few songs were retitled too.
Never Too Late To Love You became... I can't read the first word on any of the photos I have, the second one is "of two people". (???の二人 ??? no futari).
Certain Things Are Likely, the song, was changed to "Mind Game (マインド ゲーム maindo geemu)" perhaps for ease of pronunciation (although No One's On The Same Side was unchanged)
Identity Card boringly got retitled to "ID Card (I.D.カード, ID kaado)".
One Day got both its title transliterated (ワン デイ wan dei) and literally translated (いつの日か, itsu no hika).
Additionally, the album seems to have unique Japanese liner notes. Though the photo is a little too low quality to make anything. I've tried looking up tracklists to see what Never To Late To Love You is called but I can basically only find the Japanese album on resale sites and people just use the English names for songs if even that.

Peruvian Maybe This Day

While CTAL is the only album retitled in another language, Maybe This Day released in Peru backed with Love Lasts Forever where both song titles were translated into Spanish.

Missing lyrics in lyric inserts

The first four albums each have official lyrics printed in their inserts. Though they're not perfect. One Step is missing the line "Mmm, the world is reeling". Tree of Love is missing its final verse. Frightened In France is missing the word "Sabbat". Radio On is missing the backing vocals in the chorus. Big Man Restless is missing the opening line "Ladies and gentlemen, the big man restless" There are probably more songs that are missing words too that I haven't noticed yet.

Various entries regarding KTP in 2010

The following seven entries are all related to the initial 2010 burst of creativity that eventually flopped into Digital People's release 5 years later.

Now I'm Someone Else and Writing on the Wall

On the Kissing the Pink Wordpress, seemingly written entirely by Nick (as he used to have a typing quirk where he wouldn't write spaces after punctuation), there's a post from 2010 with a list of six song titles for the upcoming album that became Digital People. One of these song titles is "Now I'm Someone Else" which is either an old lyric for a finished song or a completely scrapped song.

Also on the Wordpress there's a post from 2009 mentioning a song Nick is working on called "Sarah Terry" but this one is described as a "pub sing-a-long" which means it probably morphed into Sanity Vanity. In that same post, George has a sketch of a song called "Writing on the Wall" which is described as "shiny pop", so, using the list of six song names on the later post, the song could've been morphed into Birds Are Talking, Pop Up or Digital People. Or maybe Writing On The Wall and Now I'm Someone Else are the same song... or they're both scrapped!

Underdog Publishing Kissing the Pink EP

In 2010, Kissing the Pink were managed by Underdogs Publishing. In January of 2010, they released a four-song EP for Kissing the Pink on Bandcamp (purchase is not available). It uses the artwork to Mr. Blunt for some reason.
The four songs are: Happy Ever After, Pop Up, There Goes Sanity and Waterfall.

Empty promises

Many posts from their various accounts describe big things that never happened! I think this is all of them, but there might be one or two on Facebook that I can't access.

Lost audio from Tumblr

There are at least three instances of this.

Tumblr videos

But luckily, these didn't get lost!

A Previously Unreleased Demo Track

So KTP did one of those "get us to x number of followers" things and they promised to release an unreleased demo track if they hit the number. They did not, at least not within the timeframe, so whatever this song is, if it was a new song or an old one, is unknown.


Always more things to be added... like...

Future entries???